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Dikarenakan banyaknya email yang menanyakan hal serupa maka untuk mempermudah masyarakat kami menyertakan pertanyaan-pertanyaan yg paling sering di tanyakan.

1. Apa maksud dan tujuan dari website ini?

• Maksud dan tujuan dari website ini sangat jelas yaitu memberikan segala informasi yang benar kepada masyarakat Indonesia mengenai Tianshi berdasarkan fakta dan analisa ilmiah.

2. Apa itu Tianshi Watch? Siapakah anggota tianshi-watch?

• Tianshi Watch terdiri dari berbagai lapisan masyarakat yang mempunyai visi yang sama dan merasa prihatin terhadap kemajuan bangsa ini terutama para pelajar yang terjerumus dalam dunia mimpi-mimpi dari MLM Tianshi. Kami semua sependapat bahwa dunia pendidikan sangatlah penting untuk para pelajar dan mahasiswa sekaligus untuk mengingatkan masyarakat bahwa berpikir kritis itu sangat penting untuk mencapai kesuksesan, bukan lewat jalan pintas yang tidak benar. Kami tidak akan mempublish nama-nama anggota kami karena kami ingin melindungi para anggota dari praktek intimidasi dan retaliasi pihak Tianshi yang sudah kami terima berkali-kali. Keselamatan anggota kami menjadi prioritas utama dalam hal ini.

3. Mengapa tianshi-watch meminta dana? Kekurangan uangkah? Saya tidak mempunyai account paypal, bagaimana saya bisa menyumbang?

• Kami tidak meminta dana, kami menerima sumbangan dana. Dana yang terkumpul bukan untuk menggaji para anggota kami atau untuk kepentingan sekelompok dari kami. Kami tidak menerima akan menerima sepeserpun uang. Ini adalah kerjasama sukarela. Dana yang terkumpul akan digunakan kembali untuk kepentingan perjuangan. Selama ini kami bahkan telah merogoh kocek kami masing-masing untuk membiayai semua hasil yang telah dapat dinikmati publik TANPA bayaran. Untuk yang ingin menyumbang tetapi tidak mempunyai account paypal, silahkan menghubungi kami lewat pr@tianshi-watch.com.

4. Mengapa hanya Tianshi yang dibahas, kan masih banyak MLM-MLM lain?

• Kami berpendapat bahwa MLM Tianshi telah melampaui norma-norma etika bisnis secara ekstrem. Bila anda merasa bahwa kami tidak adil, itu opini anda dan silahkan anda membuat watch-watch yang lain. Kami berharap dengan adanya kami, anggota masyarakat yang lain juga menjadi lebih kritis terhadap MLM-MLM lain dan mau terjun langsung menghadapi segala macam penjerumusan dan pembohongan publik seperti ini.

5. Kalau masalah Tianshi sudah selesai, apa yang akan terjadi pada Tianshi Watch?

• Tianshi Watch akan tetap eksis sampai semua permasalahan selesai sesuai harapan kami. Bila semua tujuan kami tercapai, kemungkinan kami akan menawarkan informasi dan analisa yang kritis dalam bidang lain sesuai urgensinya dan kami mengharapkan dukungan anda sekalian.

6. Anda tidak takut dituduh mencemarkan nama baik?

• Tidak, karena apa yang kami sampaikan adalah berdasarkan data faktual dan analisa yang ilmiah. Kami tidak bermaksud mencemarkan nama baik. Bila memang ada sanggahan dan atau koreksi atas analisa kami. Silahkan menghubungi kami lewat pr@tianshi-watch.com. Kami selalu berusaha menyajikan informasi yang benar dan tepat.

7. Saya mempunyai informasi/keluhan/masukan mengenai Tianshi, kemana saya harus memberikan informasi ini?

• Silahkan menghubungi kami lewat pr@tianshi-watch.com.

Fakta Menarik di balik Laporan Keuangan Tianshi 5

Topic2 sebelumnya ttg Laporan keuangan tianshi
- Cuplikan laporan MEMALUKAN ttg tianshi
- Fakta Menarik di balik Laporan Keuangan Tianshi 1
- Fakta Menarik di balik Laporan Keuangan Tianshi 2
- Fakta Menarik di balik Laporan Keuangan Tianshi 3
- Fakta Menarik di balik Laporan Keuangan Tianshi 4


Berikut Isi laporan keuangan Tianshi kepada USA

Silakan klik di sini utk melihatnya

ITU LAPORAN KEUANGAN TIANSHI SENDIRI

Liat ga ? turun terus terus terus dari 2003 – 2007 ??

2006 – 2007 SIGNIFIKAN BANGET PENURUNAN TOTAL REVENUE NYA ????



TAHUN 2005-2006

Chinese and International Revenue

silakan klik di sini utk melihatnya

In 2006, international sales increased to $39.7 million, or 30.2% compared to $30.5 million in 2005. The strong growth reflected a significant increase in demand for our products in Indonesia, as well as strong revenue growth in Kazakhstan, South Africa, Thailand, Ukraine, Congo and Ghana.

SELAMAT INDONESIA
ANDA PUNYA ANDIL BESAR DALAM SEDIKIT MENYELAMATKAN KONDISI KEUANGAN TIANSHI DI TAHUN 2006 (BUKAN 2007 – 2008)
JADI AYO SEMUA DISTRIBUTOR
GENJOT PERFORMA ANDA BUAT TIANSHI !!!

SEMUA KEUNTUNGAN SUDAH MENURUN NIH!!!

PRES LI PERLU ANDA
TIANSHI PERLU ANDA !!!

Gross profit. Gross profit decreased by 4.9% to $48.7 million in 2006, compared to $51.2 million in 2005. The gross profit margin for 2006 was 72.9% compared to 74.6% in 2005 as a result of the reasons discussed under cost of sales.

KEUNTUNGAN TURUN !!

Net income. For the above stated reasons, net income in 2006 was $26.3 million compared to $26.9 million in 2005, a decrease of 2.2%.

2005 ke 2006 , keuntungan bersih turun !!



TAHUN 2006 – 2007

Results of Operations

Year Ended December 31, 2007 Compared to Year Ended December 31, 2006

Revenue. In 2007 revenue was $54.9 million compared to $66.8 million in 2006, a decrease of 17.8%. The breakdown of revenue between Chinese and international sales is as follows.

Chinese and International Revenue

silakan klik di sini utk melihatnya

In 2007 revenue from China decreased to $22.5 million, or 17.0% compared to $27.1 million in 2006, primarily due to a decrease in sales

PENJUALAN TURUN !!!

In 2007, international sales decreased by 18.4% to $32.4 million, compared to $39.7 million in 2006. This mainly reflects a sharp decrease in sales to countries in Africa during the second quarter of 2007 and a decrease in sales generally in other countries. In addition, in August of 2007

PENJUALAN INTERNASIONAL TURUN !!!

Gross profit. Gross profit decreased by 21.2% to $38.4 million in 2007, compared to $48.7 million in 2006. The gross profit margin for 2007 was 69.9% compared to 72.9% in 2006. The semi-finished products which we were selling in China during 2007 had a lower profit margin than the finished products which we were selling in 2006.

KEUNTUNGAN TURUN !!!

Selling, general and administrative expenses. Selling, general and administrative expenses increased by 11.9% to $14.3 million in 2007, compared to $12.8 million in 2006. The increase was primarily due to increases in salaries and benefits ($629,769), consulting expenses ($392,751), insurance costs ($340,571) and depreciation expenses ($247,071). The selling and administrative expenses as a percentage of sales increased to 26.1% in 2007 from 19.1% in 2006.

SIALAN KEUNTUNGAN TURUN TAPI PENGELUARAN MALAH BERTAMBAH !!!

Net income. For the above stated reasons, net income in 2007 was $18.6 million compared to $26.3 million in 2006, a decrease of 29%.

PENGHASILAN BERSIH TIANSHI TURUN !! BERDASARKAN LAPORAN RESMI TIANSHI PADA USA




Tidak lupa di bagian akhir ada BIOGRAFI Pres Li, yang dilaporkan pada USA
Jinyuan Li :

Mr. Li has served as the Chairman of the Board and a Director since September 2003. Mr. Li is also the President and founder of the Company. He also serves as President of Tianshi Group and has held that position since 1995. Mr. Li has 14 years of experience in the petroleum and plastics industries. He holds a number of leadership positions in government and social associations, including as commissioner of the Tianjin Political Consultative Conference; Standing Director of China Entrepreneur’s National Council; Executive Commissioner of All-China Federation of Industry and Commerce; Vice President of Chinese Bioengineering Association; and Vice president of Chinese Healthcare Association. Mr. Li was elected as one of the Top Ten Most Outstanding Talents in the Greater China Area; one of the Ten Most Popular Personages Among the High-Ranking, by China Economic Forum; Excellent Entrepreneur, by the Organization Committee of the Second Chinese Entrepreneur Forum in 2003, and as the Most Creative Chinese Businessman of Asia in 2004. Mr. Li holds an MBA from Nankai University.

APAKAH PRES LI BERANI MENGAKU DOCTOR HONORIS CAUSA UNESCO KEPADA USA?

Kok GA berani ya?? Atau jangan2 gelar itu hanya akal2an support system??

Ternyata pres Li , Cuma pengusaha saja yah.. MBA saja ???

Bukan Doctor apalagi Professor??


Selain pemilik, ini lah gaji Pres Lie

2005 : 145,455 dollar
2006 : 166,660 dollar
2007 : 166,660 dollar

Wah gajinya ga segede Fortune 500 list ya??

CERTIFICATION OF CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER AND CHIEF FINANCIAL
OFFICER PURSUANT TO 18 U.S.C. SECTION 1350, AS ADOPTED PURSUANT TO
SECTION 906 OF THE SARBANES-OXLEY ACT OF 2002

In connection with the Annual Report of Tiens Biotech Group (USA), Inc. (the “Registrant”) on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2007 as filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission (the “Report”), each of the undersigned, Jinyuan Li, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Registrant and Wenjun Jiao, Chief Financial Officer of the Registrant, certifies, pursuant to 18 U.S.C. Section 1350, as adopted by Section 906 of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002, that, to the best of his knowledge:

1. The Report fully complies in all material respects with the requirements of Section 13(a) or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934; and

2. The information contained in the Report fairly presents, in all material respects, the financial condition and results of operations of the Registrant as of and for the period covered by the Report.

Pursuant to the rules and regulations of the Securities and Exchange Commission, this certification is being furnished and is not deemed filed.


Date: March 31, 2008 /s/ Jinyuan Li
Jinyuan Li
Chief Executive Officer and President
(Principal Executive Officer)


Date: March 31, 2008 /s/ Wenjun Jiao
Wenjun Jiao
Chief Financial Officer
(Principal Financial and Accounting Officer)

Jadi pres. Li sendiri menyatakan semua laporan di atas sudah pasti benar adanya


Laporan keuangan tianshi (full version) bisa di lihat di link ini atau klik di sini

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Fakta Menarik di balik Laporan Keuangan Tianshi 4

Part 4 dari Laporan keuangan Tianshi membahas lebih lanjut berbagai masalah tiens seperti fakta ttg pabrik kontrakannya, masalah pajak, dll.

Laporan keuangan tianshi (full version) bisa di lihat di link ini atau klik di sini

WE MAY NOT BE REFUNDED MONIES WE HAVE PAID FOR THE TIENS YIHAI PROPERTY.

In 2005, the Chinese central government issued its “Adjustment of Macro-Economic Policy”. This policy implemented a new system of investment and use of state-owned assets, including land. Pursuant to this policy, local government organizations adjusted and re-allotted projects, including investment, construction and reconstruction of state-owned resources. As a result, projects and enterprises that had been affected, including Tiens Yihai, were awaiting further decisions by state and local government.

On November 10, 2006, Tiens International and the Local Government entered into a supplemental agreement pursuant to which the parties have agreed to the acquisition of land use rights by Tiens Yihai of a reduced 486 mu (80 acres) parcel of land. In order to proceed with the purchase of land use rights of the property by Tiens Yihai, Tianshi Holdings is required to provide a loan of $6.4 million to the Local Government for relocation costs for people living on the property. The $6.4 million loan is to be funded in two installments:

• The first installment of $3.2 million was paid on November 27, 2006.

• The second installment of $3.2 million is to be paid after Tiens Yihai obtains a construction license to develop the property. The parties have agreed to allow Tianshi Holdings to reduce this second installment by the amount of the $1.6 million refund due to it.

In return for the loan, Tiens Yihai will receive a tax credit in the amount of the loan. In March 2007, we received notice that the Local Government had approved the land use rights for 50 acres of the Tiens Yihai property. As a result of the reduction in the number of acres for which we have received land use rights and continued uncertainty relating to the Tiens Yihai project, management made a decision to suspend the development of the project. We are currently reviewing alternative commercial uses for the Tiens Yihai site, as well as the possibility of selling the land use rights to a third party. If Tiens Yihai does not proceed with construction on the Tiens Yihai site or is not able to sell the land use rights to a third party, it is not clear whether the Local Government will return the $1.6 million it previously agreed to refund or repay the initial loan of $3.2 million made in November 2006.

Yah kena sita ya , pabrik Tianshi di Cina
Akibat kebijakan ekonomi makro RRC sendiri

Jadi Tianshi masi ngontrak tanah / sewa tanah nih ya dari Pemda , masi hutang 6,4 juta dollar ama pemerintah daerah ?
Cicilan kontrak dibayar 3,2 juta dollar dulu deh 2006

Jadi bila Tiens tidak sanggup memenuhi target pembangunan kantor dan pabrik nya di Tiajin , atau tidak berhasil menjualnya pada pihak ke 3, tidak jelas, apakah Pemda Tianjin sesudah menyita pabrik dan asset tianshi, akan mau mengembalikan cicilan yang udah dibayar Tianshi sejumlah 3,2 juta dollar

KASIHAN YA TIANSHI,
JADI RAKYAT INDONESIA HARUS CARIKAN TERUS UANG BUAT PAK LI BIAR BISA BAYAR KONTRAK KANTORNYA DI TIANJIN SANA...

JANGAN SAMPAI KANTOR DAN PABRIK (YG BELUM JADI) DISITA PEMDA TIANJIN YAH!!!! Bakalan semakin malu-maluiinnnn hahahahaha.....

THE LEGAL AUTHORITIES IN CHINA ARE IN THE PROCESS OF EVALUATING HERETOFORE TAX AND FEE BENEFITS PROVIDED TO FOREIGN INVESTORS AND COMPANIES TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE COUNTRY SUCH THAT THESE BENEFITS MAY BE LESSENED OR REMOVED WITH THE CONSEQUENCE THAT EXPENSES MAY RISE IMPACTING MARGINS AND NET INCOME.

Biological is located in Tianjin Wuqing Development Area, a national new technology development zone, and is subject to the special reduced income tax rate of 15%. Pursuant to the approval of the relevant PRC tax authorities, Biological is fully exempt from PRC income taxes for two years starting from the year profits are first made, followed by a 7.5% reduced tax rate for the next three years.

Prior to the year ended December 31, 2002, Biological suffered operating losses. Biological started generating taxable profits in the year ended December 31, 2003. Effective January 1, 2005, the two-year full exemption for income taxes expired for Biological and it became subject to income tax at a reduced rate of 7.5%.

Beginning January 1, 2008, the new Enterprise Income Tax (“EIT”) law will replace the existing laws for Domestic Enterprises (“DES”) and Foreign Invested Enterprises (“FIEs”). The new standard EIT rate of 25% will replace the 33% rate currently applicable to both DES and FIEs. The two years tax exemption, three years 50% tax reduction tax holiday for production-oriented FIEs will be eliminated. According to the new EIT, high-tech companies could be subject to a special reduced tax rate of 15%. The qualification of a high-tech company is to be reviewed annually. Biological currently qualifies as a high-tech company. However, there are no detailed regulations regarding the implementation of new EIT. In the first quarter of 2008, we were required by local tax authority to prepay income tax at a tax rate of 25%. We are currently evaluating the effect of the new EIT law will have on our financial position.

Karena Tianshi mengakui sebagai perusahaan HIGH TECH
Pajakanya di Cina gede …
Berat ya bayar pajak di Cina sendiri ??
Kasihan..

WE ARE SUBJECT TO COMPLEX CHINESE BUSINESS REGULATIONS.

Tianshi keberatan ama kebijakan ekonomi Negara nya sendiri!!!

Parah banget dah nyalahin sana-sini mulu di laporannya wkwkwkwk

BECAUSE MOST OF OUR DIRECTORS AND OFFICERS RESIDE OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES, AND SUBSTANTIALLY ALL OF OUR ASSETS ARE LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES, IT MAY BE DIFFICULT FOR INVESTORS TO ENFORCE THEIR LEGAL RIGHTS AGAINST SUCH INDIVIDUALS OR SUCH ASSETS.

Most of our directors and officers reside outside of the United States, and substantially all of our assets are located outside of the United States. As a result, it may not be possible for investors in the United States to enforce their legal rights, to effect service of process upon our directors or officers or to enforce judgments of United States courts predicated upon civil liabilities and criminal penalties of our directors and officers under Federal securities laws. Although China has executed the Agreement on Mutual Judicial Assistance in Criminal Matters with the United States in June 2000, there is no extradition treaty between the United States and China. Therefore, it is unclear whether criminal penalties under United States federal securities laws would be enforced effectively in China, if at all.

Berhubung Mr li dan keluarganya tinggal di luar USA
Hehehehe jadi pemerintah USA, tidak bisa memberikan hukuman kepada para pejabat Tianshi
Wewkwkwk....

Bangga sekali pak Li, kalo dia tidak bisa dikejar hukum USA, hahaha




Ini alasan2 lainnya atas kegagalan Tianshi :

THE CHINESE LEGAL SYSTEM IS NOT FULLY DEVELOPED AND HAS INHERENT UNCERTAINTIES THAT COULD LIMIT THE LEGAL PROTECTIONS AVAILABLE TO INVESTORS.

ENFORCEMENT OF REGULATIONS IN CHINA MAY BE INCONSISTENT.

WE MAY EXPERIENCE LENGTHY DELAYS IN RESOLUTION OF LEGAL DISPUTES.

CHINESE ECONOMIC, POLITICAL AND SOCIAL CONDITIONS AS WELL AS GOVERNMENT POLICIES COULD ADVERSELY AFFECT OUR BUSINESS.

FLUCTUATIONS IN THE VALUE OF THE CHINESE RENMINBI RELATIVE TO FOREIGN CURRENCIES COULD AFFECT OUR OPERATING RESULTS.

Sekarang kepada public pemegang saham, inilah risiko2 anda memegang saham tianshi
Berdasarkan laporan Tianshi sendiri kepada USA :

THE LIQUIDITY OF OUR COMMON STOCK IS AFFECTED BY ITS LIMITED TRADING MARKET.

Shares of our common stock are traded on the American Stock Exchange under the symbol “TBV”. There is currently no broadly followed established trading market for our common stock. An established trading market may never develop or be maintained. Active trading markets generally result in lower price volatility and more efficient execution of buy and sell orders. The absence of an active trading market reduces the liquidity of shares. The trading volume of our common stock historically has been limited and sporadic. As a result of this trading activity, the quoted price for our common stock is not necessarily a reliable indicator of its fair market value. Further, if we cease to be quoted, holders would find it more difficult to dispose of, or to obtain accurate quotations as to the market value of our common stock and the market value of our common stock likely would decline.

OUR COMMON STOCK MAY BE SUBJECT TO REGULATIONS PRESCRIBED BY THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION RELATING TO “PENNY STOCK”.

The Securities and Exchange Commission has adopted regulations that generally define a penny stock to be any equity security that has a market price (as defined in such regulations) of less than $5.00 per share, subject to certain exceptions. If our common stock meets the definition of a penny stock, it will be subjected to these regulations, which impose additional sales practice requirements on broker-dealers who sell such securities to persons other than established customers and accredited investors.

WE ARE MAJORITY OWNED BY ONE STOCKHOLDER.

Our president and chief executive officer, Jinyuan Li, controls a majority of our common stock. Mr. Li beneficially owns approximately 92% of our outstanding common stock. As a result, Mr. Li has the ability to exert significant control over our management and affairs requiring stockholder approval, including approval of significant corporate transactions. This concentration of ownership may have the effect of delaying or preventing a change in control, including a merger, consolidation or other business combination involving us, or discouraging a potential acquirer from making a tender offer or otherwise attempting to obtain control, even if such change of control would benefit our other shareholders.

OUR COMMON STOCK WILL LIKELY BE SUBJECT TO SUBSTANTIAL PRICE AND VOLUME FLUCTUATIONS.

The stock market has experienced extreme price and volume fluctuations in recent years that have significantly affected the quoted prices of securities of many companies, including companies in our industry. The changes often appear to occur without regard to specific operating performance. In addition, there has been a limited public market for our common stock. We cannot predict the extent to which investor interest in us will be maintained. Such interest is necessary for an active, liquid trading market for our common stock. Active trading markets generally result in lower price volatility and more efficient execution of buy and sell orders for investors. The price and trading volumes of our common stock may fluctuate widely due to the limited public market for our stock.

SHARES AVAILABLE FOR FUTURE SALE MAY DILUTE AND DEPRESS THE PRICE OF OUR COMMON STOCK.

A significant number of our shares are eligible for sale pursuant to Rule 144, and their sale could depress the market price of our stock. Some or all of the shares of common stock may be offered from time to time in the open market pursuant to Rule 144, and these sales may have a depressive effect on the market for the shares of common stock. In general, a person who has held restricted shares for a period of one year may, upon filing with the SEC a notification on Form 144, sell into the market common stock in an amount equal to the greater of 1% of the outstanding shares or the average weekly number of shares sold in the last four weeks prior to such sale. Such sales may be repeated once each three months, and any of the restricted shares may be sold by a non-affiliate after they have been held two years.

WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE PAYING DIVIDENDS IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, AND THE LACK OF DIVIDENDS MAY HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THE STOCK PRICE.

We have never declared or paid any cash dividends or distributions on our common stock. We currently intend to retain our future earnings to support operations and to finance expansion and, therefore, do not anticipate paying any cash dividends on our common stock in the foreseeable future.

INILAH SUSUNAN KERAJAAN TERBARU TIANSHI...

BERDASARKAN RAPAT TAHUNAN 2007, BERHUBUNG 92% SAHAM DIPEGANG PRES LI, YA TAU SENDIRI LAH,..
YANG GA SETUJU AMA KEPEMIMPINAN PRES LI HARUS NGALAH!!

SUBMISSION OF MATTERS TO A VOTE OF SECURITY HOLDERS.

On December 4, 2007, the annual meeting of stockholders of the Company (the “Annual Meeting”) was held at the Company’s Tianjin offices for the following purposes:

1. Elect the following persons to the Board of Directors: Jinyuan Li, Wenjun Jiao, Yupeng Yan, Gilbert Raker, Howard Balloch, and Socorro Quintero.

2. Ratify the Board of Directors’ appointment of Grobstein, Horwath & Company LLP, the independent public accountants as the auditor of the Company for the fiscal year 2007.

In this Annual Meeting, there were accordingly present, in person or by proxy, an aggregate of 67,970,169 shares of Common Stock, such shares being a majority of the 71,333,586 shares of Common Stock entitled to notice of and to vote at the meeting.

The result of the vote taken for the election of directors at the meeting was as follows:

Directors No. of Shares For No. of Shares Against Withheld Authority
Jinyuan Li 67,959,959 10,210 0
Wenjun Jiao 67,959,959 10,210 0
Yupeng Yan 67,959,959 10,210 0
Socorro Quintero 67,959,959 10,210 0
Howard Balloch 67,959,359 10,810 0
Gilbert Raker 67,959,959 10,210 0

The result of the vote taken for the ratification of the appointment of Grobstein, Horwath & Company LLP was as follows:

• 67,959,924 shares voted in favor of the proposal,

• 7,208 shares voted against the proposal, and

• 3,037 shares abstained.

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Fakta Menarik di balik Laporan Keuangan Tianshi 3

Nah di part 3 ini, kami bahas mengenai perusahaan tianshi terus menerus menyalahkan pihak lain sbg alasan.
termasuk menyalahkan kerja para distributornya, bpom di luar cina, pasar USA, Cina sendiri, dan lain2nya. Silakan dibaca. :)

Laporan keuangan tianshi (full version) bisa di lihat di link ini atau klik di sini

WE HAVE LIMITED CONTROL OVER THE ACTIVITIES OF OUR DISTRIBUTORS.

We place significant reliance on a network of affiliates to act as our primary sales force. Although a majority of our affiliated companies are controlled in whole or part by Jinyuan Li, our Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President, such affiliates are not employed or otherwise controlled by us and are generally free to conduct their business at their own discretion. The distributors are dedicated more to establishing their own reputations and business relationships than to promoting our products. The simultaneous loss of a number of these distributors could have a material adverse effect on our business, financial condition, and results of operations.

SALAH NYA DISTRIBUTOR (YAITU ANDA2 SEMUA RAKYAT INDONESIA!)
JADI TIANSHI SECARA RESMI DALAM LAPORANNYA PADA USA, MENYALAHKAN ANDA2 SEMUA SEBAGAI DISTRIBUTOR TIANSHI , YANG LEBIH NAFSU UNTUK MENINGKATKAN REPUTASI DAN KEUANGAN PRIBADI ANDA DARIPADA MEMPROMOSIKAN TIANSHI !!!

KASIHAN BANGET ORG INDO YG SUDAH CAPE2 promosi Tianshi TAPI SAMA SEKALI TAK DIHARGAI HAHAHAHA...

WE CONDUCT OUR BUSINESS WITH RELATED PARTIES, AND YOUR INVESTMENT MAY BE SUBJECT TO CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND SELF-DEALING RISKS.

Due to the inter-related ownership and business dealings among us and our affiliates, there are conflict of interest and self-dealing risks and increased potential for manipulation of financial results. We have affiliated companies or business entities that are owned by Jinyuan Li and his immediate family members (mostly his daughter Baolan Li). Although all affiliated companies and business entities were established so that they are legally and financially independent, except for the common ownership, they are centrally administrated by Tianshi Group. The decisions of Tianshi Group could materially affect the operation of our business, which could be adverse to our investors.

Salahkan partner perusahaan !!!
Bahkan Pres. Li mengaku tidak bisa mengatur anaknya sendiri Baolan li, karena perusahaan anaknya terpisah dari dirinya

OUR PRODUCTS ARE SUBJECT TO REGULATION OVER NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENT PRODUCTS IN MARKETS OUTSIDE CHINA.

Nutrition supplement products are subject to regulatory requirements that vary by country. Obtaining approval to sell nutrition supplement products internationally involves complexities of dealing with a variety of governmental regulations. We have limited experience in dealing with the specific regulations that may be required to sell our products in certain international markets, which could delay our ability to obtain relevant regulatory approval for our products. In addition, our product sales in other countries are subject to product regulatory regimes of various degrees and direct marketing or distribution regulations. Although currently these aspects are handled by our affiliated distributors in the relevant jurisdictions, there can be no assurance that the current operations of our company and our affiliates and distributors will not be adversely affected by compliance issues and changes in applicable laws and regulations in relevant jurisdictions.

MENYALAHKAN BADAN2 PENGAWAS OBAT DAN MAKANAN DI LUAR CINA YANG MENYULITKAN DAN TIDAK MEMBERIKAN IJIN!!!

Jadi Tianshi ga pernah salah
Yang salah BPOM Indonesia tidak mengijinkan 33 produk impor tianshi untuk dipasarkan sebagai OBAT???
Bahkan hanya 9 sebagai makanan, 9 sebagai jamu/ suplemen ?

Jadi penurunan keuntungan Tianshi adalah salah para BADAN2 PENGAWAS OBAT DAN MAKANAN DI LUAR CINA YANG DIANGGAP TERLALU MENGATUR KEAMANAN PRODUK2 MAKANAN !!!

OUR MANAGEMENT LACKS EXPERIENCE OPERATING A U.S. PUBLIC COMPANY.

Our management had no experience operating a U.S. public company before our acquisition of Tianshi Holdings. The initial difficulties with public company regulations faced by U.S. managers of a newly public company are aggravated with respect to our management, by our unfamiliarity with Western regulatory regimes and language and time zone differences. In addition, management must integrate new accounting rules and control procedures. Learning compliance is likely to distract management from operations to a greater degree than might be the case of management of a U.S. company, and the period during which our management masters the rules, when errors are more likely to occur, may be longer. Accordingly, the expense and operational risks inherent to a transition from private to public company are greater for Tiens USA than might usually be the case.

TIANSHI GA PENGALAMAN DI USA, JADINYA MENYALAHKAN PASAR MARKET USA DEH!!

Terus saja salahkan pihak lain hahahaha........

THE DISTRIBUTION OF OUR PRODUCTS IS SUBJECT TO REGULATION OUTSIDE CHINA.

Products distributed outside China are subject to government regulations of different jurisdictions, which could be stricter than in China. In some developed countries, the government regulations for product approval could be stricter than in China, while in developing countries, government regulation could be uncertain. Our products could take a significantly longer time than we expect to gain regulatory approval or may never gain approval in certain countries, which could limit our ability to promote, sell and distribute products. In addition, in terms of our marketing approach, multi-level marketing may also be prohibited in some countries. As such, our sales may be adversely affected if such approval cannot be obtained in certain jurisdictions.

TIANSHI TIDAK LUPA MENYALAHKAN PEMERINTAH2 SELAIN CINA TERUTAMA PEMERINTAH NEGARA BERKEMBANG (tentu bukan Indonesia ya?? Karena Indonesia punya APLI) , yang sulit memberikan ijin bahkan melarang Tianshi beredar !!

Hiksss kasian ya Tianshi… ada Negara yang punya otak jadi melarangnya..
Jadi intinya salah seluruh Negara ya pak Li??



RISIKO DI CINA SENDIRI

WE ARE SUBJECT TO THE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH DOING BUSINESS IN CHINA.

As most of our operations are conducted in China, we are subject to special considerations and significant risks not typically associated with companies operating in North America and Western Europe. These include risks associated with, among others, the political, economic and legal environments and foreign currency exchange. Our results may be adversely affected by changes in the political and social conditions in China, and by changes in governmental policies with respect to laws and regulations, anti-inflationary measures, currency conversion and remittance abroad, and rates and methods of taxation, among other things.

Although the majority of productive assets in China are owned by the Chinese government, in the past several years the government has implemented economic reform measures that emphasize decentralization and encourage private economic activity. Because these economic reform measures may be inconsistent or ineffectual, there are no assurances that:

• We will be able to capitalize on economic reforms;

• The Chinese government will continue its pursuit of economic reform policies;

• The economic policies, even if pursued, will be successful; and

• Economic policies will not be significantly altered from time to time.

Tidak ada jaminan, kebijakan kapitalis Cina bisa berubah kapanpun

A RECENT CAMPAIGN IMPOSED BY THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE EXPORT OF UNSAFE FOOD AND SUBSTANDARD PRODUCTS, IN HINDERING OUR ABILITY TO EXPORT OUR PRODUCTS INTERNATIONALLY.

In August 2007, China’s Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine (“AQSIQ”) announced an ongoing national campaign in China against unsafe food and substandard products. The special campaign against poor product quality was launched in response to a series safety scares involving Chinese products worldwide. The campaign set 20 detailed goals, including twelve "100 percents". For example, 100 percent of food producers should be licensed; 100 percent of agricultural wholesale markets in cities must be monitored; 100 percent of suppliers of raw materials for exported products should be inspected; and 100 percent of agricultural products must be free of five types of strong pesticides. The campaign, which was originally scheduled to finish at the end of 2007, is currently scheduled to continue throughout 2008.

As a result of this campaign by the AQSIQ, there has been a general slow-down and backlog of export clearances for Chinese food products, and we have experienced significant delays in obtaining export clearance for all of the products which we sell to our international affiliates. We believe that these delays have resulted in some of our international affiliates not being able to purchase sufficient quantities of our products to meet their demand, resulting in a loss of sales. Continued delays in the export clearance for our products may continue to result in us not being able to meet the demand for our products from our international affiliates and future loss of sales. Currently we are not able to provide an estimate as to the timing for the clearance of our products for export.

CINA SADAR TELAH DISOROT DUNIA MENGEKSPOR BAHAN2 MAKANAN YANG DIANGGAP BERISIKO.

Jadi bagi Tianshi, itu salah pemerintah RRC yang makin mengetatkan standar ekspor makanan dari Cina ke luar Cina !!!

Tianshi mengaku mengalami kesulitan dan keterlambatan dalam memenuhi standar kualitas yang diminta pemerintah Cina sendiri!!!

THE RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT, TESTING, MANUFACTURING AND MARKETING OF OUR PRODUCTS ARE SUBJECT TO VARIOUS GOVERNMENTAL REGULATIONS IN CHINA.

Yah, salahin pemerintah Cina lagi lah intinya...

UNCERTAINTY IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF DIRECT SELLING REGULATIONS MAY ADVERSELY AFFECT SALES OF OUR PRODUCTS IN CHINA.

Substantially all of our assets are located in China, and approximately 56.0%, 40.5% and 40.9% of our revenues in 2005, 2006 and 2007, respectively, were derived from our operations in China. Accordingly, our operations are subject, to a significant degree, to Chinese law. In China, we are aiming to expand our market share through the branches, chain stores, and affiliated companies of Tianshi Engineering, our affiliate who sells our products in China. Because direct selling was only recently authorized in China, the regulatory environment with respect to direct selling in this market remains fluid and the process for obtaining the necessary governmental approvals have been interpreted differently by different governmental authorities. The direct selling regulations require Tianshi Engineering to apply for approval to conduct a direct selling enterprise in China.

Tianshi Engineering has applied for a direct selling license in a number of provinces and must obtain a series of approvals from the Departments of Commerce in such provinces, as well as the Departments of Commerce in each city and district in which we plan to operate. Tianshi Engineering is also required to obtain the approval of the State Ministry of Commerce, which is the national government authority overseeing direct selling.

Tianshi Engineering has found that it is taking more time than anticipated to work through the approval process with the Chinese authorities. These authorities have broad discretion in interpreting the regulations and granting necessary approvals. A delay in obtaining approvals at one level can delay our ability to obtain approvals at the next level. The complexity of the approval process as well as the government’s continued cautious approach as direct selling develops in China makes it difficult to predict a timeline for obtaining these approvals. If Tianshi Engineering does not receive a direct selling license in China, then its ability to compete against its competitors who have received such a license may be hurt. As a result, Tianshi Engineering may lose distributors who find a competitor’s direct selling business and compensation model more attractive. This could materially decrease the revenues that we receive from sales by Tianshi Engineering in China.

Kembali alasan tianshi bahwa Tianshi dipersulit sehingga sampai 31 des 2007, belum juga dapat ijin dari Negara Cina untuk melakukan praktek MLM!!

Pemerintah Cina amat melindungi warganya dari praktek pembodohan MLM, jadi sampe sekarang, Tianshi mengaku belum berhasil mendapat ijin MLM di RRC sendiri.

Hiks kasihan ya?? Padahal AMWAY dan AVON (yg ke 2nya diakui MLM terbesar oleh tianshi) sudah dapat ijin sbg MLM di sana hahahahaha.......


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Fakta Menarik di balik Laporan Keuangan Tianshi 2

Ini lanjutan part 1 mengenai laporan keuangan tianshi yg sebelumnya dan tentunya semakin menarik fakta2nya di part 2 ini seperti :
-tianshi mengakui amway dan avon lebih besar dr mereka
-masih kurang biaya utk bangun kantor pusat d tianjin
-produknya byk mengandung zat-zat yg belum pernah digunakan ke manusia
-terbukti lagi omongan Louis Tendean cm asbun
-dll dll hahahaha..

silakan disimak lengkapnya di bawah ini :)

Competition

We compete with other direct selling organizations, some of which have a longer operating history and higher visibility, name recognition and financial resources than we do. The leading direct selling companies in our existing markets are Avon and Alticor (Amway). Some of our competitors, including Avon and Alticor (Amway), have been granted a direct selling business license in China pursuant to China's recent regulations governing direct selling. In some instances, these licenses can be limited to certain cities and/or provinces. The direct selling regulations require Tianshi Engineering, our affiliate who sells our products in China, to apply for approval to conduct a direct selling enterprise in China. Tianshi Engineering has made an application for, but has not yet received, a direct selling license in China.
In China, we are aiming to expand our market share through the branches, chain stores, and affiliated companies of Tianshi Engineering, our affiliate who sells our products in China. Because direct selling was only recently authorized in China, the regulatory environment with respect to direct selling in this market remains fluid and the process for obtaining the necessary governmental approvals have been interpreted differently by different governmental authorities. The direct selling regulations require Tianshi Engineering to apply for approval to conduct a direct selling enterprise in China.

Tianshi Engineering has applied for a direct selling license in a number of provinces and must obtain a series of approvals from the Departments of Commerce in such provinces, as well as the Departments of Commerce in each city and district in which we plan to operate. Tianshi Engineering is also required to obtain the approval of the State Ministry of Commerce, which is the national government authority overseeing direct selling.

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Tianshi Engineering has found that it is taking more time than anticipated to work through the approval process with the Chinese authorities. These authorities have broad discretion in interpreting the regulations and granting necessary approvals. A delay in obtaining approvals at one level can delay its ability to obtain approvals at the next level. The complexity of the approval process as well as the government's continued cautious approach as direct selling develops in China makes it difficult to predict a timeline for obtaining these approvals. Until the application is approved, Tianshi Engineering will continue to sell our products through its branches, chain stores, and affiliated companies in China.

INI YANG PALING MENARIK !!!

PESAING TIANSHI : AMWAY dan AVON, diakui sendiri oleh pihak Tianshi sebagai MLM TERBESAR di dunia dan di Cina

Amway dan Avon memperoleh ijin dari pemerintah RRT sendiri sebagai perusahaan MLM. Sedangkan TIANSHI MASIH MENUNGGU PERSETUJUAN (- 31 DES 2007) UNTUK MENJUAL PRODUKNYA SECARA MLM / NETWORK MARKETING , MENUNGGU DALAM WAKTU YANG TIDAK JELAS SAMPAI KAPAN???
Jadi Tiashi di cina, hanya bisa menjual produknya lewat toko2 saja

JADI DI RRC SENDIRI, TIANSHI MENGAKUI BELUM MEMPEROLEH IJIN SEBAGAI MLM!!
Beda dengan Amway dan Avon yang diberikan ijin oleh RRC sebagai MLM terbesar di sana ..

INI DARI LAPORAN TIANSHI SENDIRI
Pihak Tianshi dalam laporannya ke pihak USA,
MENYALAHKAN PEMERINTAH RRC YANG TIDAK MEMBERIKAN IJIN KEPADANYA SEBAGAI MLM,
TIANSHI MENGANGGAP RRC TERLALU KETAT DALAM ATURAN, SEPERTI DI BEBERAPA NEGARA YANG MELARANG MLM

ALASAN2 TIANSHI KENAPA TERUS MENURUN DENGAN MENERANGKAN RISIKO2 BISNISNYA

DI LUAR CINA VS CINA

DI LUAR CINA :
Sekarang mari membicarakan, LAPORAN TIANSHI SENDIRI PADA USA , RISIKO2 BISNISNYA

RISKS RELATED TO OUR BUSINESS

WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO RAISE ADEQUATE FUNDS TO COMPLETE THE CONSTRUCTION OF OUR NEW HEADQUARTERS, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT AND MANUFACTURING FACITILITIES BEING BUILT BY LIFE RESOURCES.

In December 2007, we entered into an agreement to acquire Life Resources, a company which is currently constructing research and development, manufacturing and logistic facilities, as well as administrative offices totaling approximately 420,000 square meters in Tianjin, China. We currently estimate that the budget for completion of the Life Resources project will be approximately $220 million, including the $64 million already spent to acquire all of the registered share capital of Life Resources. We intend to construct the facilities in phases over several years, based on available cash and capacity needs. Depending on the rate of construction and our cash flow, we may require additional financing to complete the funding of that project. If we are not able to fund the completion of the new facilities, our future growth opportunities may be limited

Tianshi mengaku belum berhasil mengumpulkan dana cukup untuk membangun rencananya kantor pusat dan risetnya di Cina

Tianshi perlu 220 juta dollar
Jadi Tianshi masi butuh duit 220-64 juta dollar lagi buat bangun kantor pusatnya di Tianjin!

Ayo rakyat Indonesia dan distro2 Tianshi, sumbang seluruh hartamu untuk Tianshi!!! Agar bisa bangun kantor di Tianjin sesuai rencana2 impian indah Tianshi!!!

MAU???

OUR REPUTATION, REVENUES AND OPERATING INCOME MAY BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY PRODUCT LIABILITY CLAIMS.

As a manufacturer of products designed for human consumption, claims may be brought against us that a product injured its consumer. Our dietary supplement products consist of vitamins, minerals, herbs and other ingredients that are not subject to pre-market regulatory approval. Our products could contain contaminated substances, and some of our products contain innovative ingredients that do not have long histories of human consumption. Previously unknown adverse reactions resulting from human consumption of these ingredients could occur. A product liability claim against us could result in increased costs and could adversely affect our reputation with our customers, which in turn could adversely affect our revenues and operating income.

TIANSHI mengakui produk2nya dipengaruhi buruk oleh kerugian2 akibat produknya banyak mengandung zat-zat yang BELUM PUNYA SEJARAH DIGUNAKAN PADA MANUSIA!!!
Jadi reaksi2 yang mungkin tidak diduga dan belum diketahui, bisa saja timbul
Dan hal ini meningkatkan biaya tak terduga Tianshi atas tuntutan2 dari konsumen (tentunya di luar negeri, bukan di Indonesia )

KONSUMEN INDONESIA DIHARAPKAN SETIA MENJADI MANUSIA PERCOBAAN ZAT2 BARU INI…

OUR NEWLY DEVELOPED PRODUCTS MAY NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH MARKET NEEDS.

Our business is particularly subject to changing consumer trends and preferences. Our continued success depends in part on our ability to anticipate and respond to these changes, and we may not respond in a timely or commercially appropriate manner to such changes. Because markets for nutrition supplement products differentiate geographically, we must accurately assess demand in each specific market into which we wish to make sales. If we fail to accurately assess consumer health needs in each market we target, we may face limited market acceptance of our products, which could have a material adverse effect on our sales and revenue.

Alasan tianshi tentang penurunan kinerjanya – 2007
Krn ga semua Negara cocok ama produk Tianshi


Alasan penurunan berikutnya :

OUR PRODUCTS MAY BE COPIED BY OUR COMPETITORS.
OUR MANUFACTURING PROCESS IS SUBJECT TO RISKS.

ALASAN LAINNYA ADALAH SALAH KOMPETITOR YANG DINILAI MEMBUAT PRODUK2 SEPERTI TIANSHI??

Padahal... Louis Tendean mengatakan bahwa produk tianshi tidak bisa dijiplak di net-p 6 pilarnya :

"Anda tau ga, ada perusahaan2 lain mau jiplak Tianshi
Produk2 kita mau dijiplak, padahal umur produk kita udah 5000 tahun..
Gak mungkin menjiplak produk kita, engkongnya aja blon lahir, 5000 tahun.. ga mungkin dijiplak"

KATANYA GA MUNGKIN DIJIPLAK TP KENYATAANYA?? MUNGKIN BANGET TUH HAHAHAHA....
Karena kandungan produknya hanyalah bahan-bahan dasar yang mudah diekstrak~

SAMA AJA KAYA LT BANGGAIN HARGA PRODUK GA AKAN NAIK TP KENYATAANNYA NAIK TUH :p

omongan Louis Tendean dan unicore memang tidak bisa dipercaya.



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Laporan keuangan tianshi (full version) bisa di lihat di link ini atau klik di sini

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Fakta Menarik di balik Laporan Keuangan Tianshi 1

Sebelumnya kami sudah pernah membahas sedikit cuplikan laporan keuangan Tianshi 2007 dan skrg kami akan bahas lebih detail mengenai inti dari laporan tsb beserta analisanya.

Banyak upline2 tianshi mengatakan bahwa tianshi semakin besar dan jaya. Tapi benarkah semua hal itu? Ada baiknya anda semua membuka pikiran dan wawasan anda karena kami yakin anda semuanya adalah kelompok orang2 yang intelek. Humble your self..

Periksa dulu fakta dan kebenarannya. Jangan sampai kita mendapatkan informasi yang salah terhadap suatu hal mengenai masa depan anda karena itu masa depan anda yg jadi taruhannya dan akan fatal akibatnya. :)


Laporan keuangan tianshi (full version) bisa di lihat di link ini atau klik di sini

Komentar-analisa kami berwarna kuning

laporan keuangan Tianshi 31 Des 2007

TIENS BIOTECH GROUP (USA), INC.
ANNUAL REPORT PURSUANT TO SECTION 13 OR 15(d) OF THE SECURITIES
EXCHANGE ACT OF 1934
For the fiscal year ended December 31, 2007

U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION

laporan tahunan 2007 Tiens terhadap USSEC, suatu form wajib (10K form) terhadap pemerintah USA dan publik

We have developed and produce 33 nutrition supplement products, which include wellness products and dietary supplements.

Each of our wellness products includes at least one health function and has been issued a Certificate of Domestic Wellness Product by the State Food and Drug Administration (SFDA). This SFDA certificate is required for the production and sale of wellness products in China. Dietary supplements, which do not include any health functions, are considered to be "ordinary food," and do not require a SFDA certificate. Each of our products has been issued a Product Standard Code by the Bureau of Technical Supervision.

We have put great emphasis on product quality assurance. In 2002, we were awarded a Quality System Certificate for compliance with the standard "ISO9001: 2000" in the area of Design and Development, Production and Service of Food and Health Care Food in China. In addition, many of our products have received a certificate for Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point ("HACCP"). HACCP identifies and assesses hazards and risk associated with the manufacture, distribution and use of food-handling establishments. In 2007, four of our products received a kosher certificate from the Kosher Supervision of America ("KSA"), which is recognized by rabbinical societies throughout the world. These products bear the KSA symbol, which tells consumers that they are in compliance with kosher standards.

These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.
(a) This product has received Halal Approval, which certifies that our manufacturing processes comply with the requirements of Islamic dietary law.
(b) This product has received an HACCP Certificate.
(c) This product has received KSA Kosher Certificate.

Tianshi sendiri mengakui bahwa dia memproduksi produk wellness / kebugaran dan makanan suplemen/ makanan tambahan. Diakui oleh SFDA – Badan Cina / RRT

Sekali lagi, :
- Bukan FDA, bukan oleh USP (standarisasi farmasi USA yang diakui dunia) : saya baca semua konfirmasi via email dan surat2 TEGURAN (BUKAN PERSETUJUAN) – telah dikonfirmasi melalui laporan Tiens Biotech sendiri pada komisi dagang – saham USA

- TGA (hanya mengakui 12 jenis sebagai Suplemen) dan untuk pemakaian suplemen itu di Australia, bukan di seluruh dunia. : Konfirmasi via EMAIL dengan pihak kepala bagian export TGA (M. Ali)

thx to TW yang udah kasi emailnya yg jelas banget

- GMP : konfirmasi via EMAIL langsung dengan GMP, bahwa GMP adalah konsultan industri (segala jenis industri) dan sama sekali bukan badan yang berhak melegalisasi makanan apalagi obat

thx to TW yang dah kasi liat emailnya

- BPOM Indonesia : hanya mengijinkan / registrasi 18 produk saja (sebagai makanan fungsional dan suplemen makanan). SEKALI LAGI BUKAN SEBAGAI HERBAL TERSTANDAR, FITOFARMAKA APALAGI OBAT !!!

thx to dr music yang kasi liat emailnya dg bpom

- 4 produk tianshi diakui halal untuk bangsa Yahudi di USA

Pengakuan halal sekali lagi, tidak ada hubungan dengan pengakuan 1 produk sebagai obat .


TIANSHI DIAKUI DI CINA SEBAGAI MAKANAN DAN PRODUK KESEHATAN DAN KEBUGARAN

PEMBODOHAN TELAH DILAKUKAN BERTAHUN2 TERHADAP SEGENAP MASYARAKAT LEWAT MEDIA2 OLEH PIHAK DISTRIBUTOR

INGAT, TIANSHI TIDAK MAU DISALAHKAN, SEMUA ADALAH DOSA DISTRIBUTOR !!!

Jadi tianshi sendiri di USA, JUJUR , TIDAK BERANI MENYATAKAN BAHWA PRODUK APAPUN DARI NYA BISA MENCEGAH, MENDETEKSI ATAU MENGOBATI APAPUN !!!

Di Indonesia.. pasar terbesar dengan masyarakat yang paling mudah dimanipulasi
Ingat ada apa2.. salah distributor !!! salah anda semua, bukan salah Tianshi…

MASIH MAU DIMANFAATKAN DAN DIJADIKAN KAMBING HITAM ??

Pasal bagian Patent
Trademarks and Patents

We consider the "Tiens" logo important to our business and have registered our products under the logo "Tiens" with the State Administration of Industry and Commerce in China. The registration is valid for a period of ten years from May 21, 2002 and can be renewed for further ten-year periods multiple times. We have conducted extensive research and developed Tianshi Super Calcium Powder with Metabolic Factors and Tianshi Super Calcium Powder for Children, which have each been awarded a patent from State Intellectual Properties Office in China with respective patent numbers of ZL97115067.2 and ZL97115068.0. These two patents are effective for 20 years, commencing on January 13, 2001.

We incurred research and development expenses of $0.7 million in 2007,

TIANSHI hanya mematenkan logo Tianshi (singa terbang)
Dan 2 jenis calcium, di Cina… ingat di Cina…

Zymolitic calcium itu pertama diriset di jepang, dan paten nya dari Jepang, bukan dari Cina..
Klaim bahwa Tianshi riset dan membuat paten yang harganya berjuta 2 dollar itu agak2 rancu ya??
Karena di laporannya di USA, 2007,Tianshi melaporkan memakai HANYA 700 ribu dollar untuk risetnya
Bukan untuk paten dll….

Marketing and Distribution

In China, we sell our products to Tianshi Engineering, an affiliated Chinese company. Tianshi Engineering, in turn, sells the products to customers through its branches and affiliated companies and at chain stores which are owned by individual distributors. During 2007 Tianshi Engineering closed eleven of its less profitable branches in China. As of December 31, 2007, Tianshi Engineering had 100 branches in China

Internationally, our strategy is to develop a strong direct sales force through our international affiliated companies. Currently the United States is not a significant part of our business. We sell our products to overseas affiliated companies located in 52 countries who in turn sell them to independent direct sales distributors. During 2007, in order to consolidate our international distribution, we reduced the number of countries where we sell directly to overseas affiliates from 63 to 52.
In 2007 our highest sales outside of China were to the following ten countries, in descending order: Indonesia, Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Congo, Hungary, South Africa, Peru, India and Columbia.

Jadi Tianshi sendiri di cina telah menutup 11 cabangnya , dan mengklaim punya 100 cabang di Cina

USA bukan market bagus buat Tianshi, mengapa kira2?
karena orang di USA amat mengerti beda suplemen dan obat, dan tidak akan membeli makanan apapun yang belum USP / FDA approved

Tianshi mengurangi penjualannya menjadi hanya di 52 negara

Indonesia ada di pasar no 1 Tianshi.. TANYA KENAPA?
Kenapa bangsa kita yang sedang mengalami krisis di segala bidang ini, membuang2 devisanya untuk perusahaan yang 100% Cina (> 90% langsung oleh Li Jinyuan)

Karena manipulasi 2 tak bertanggung jawab selama ini


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Tips utk mengcounter paksaan/ocehan org2 tianshi

TIPS BAGI YANG TERJEBAK DI ACARA PERTEMUAN TIANSHI

Bagi anda-anda yang mungkin tertipu dengan ajakan para umat tianshi dan anda terjebak pada pertemuan semacam OPP, NDT atau Vision seminar, saran saya ini akan dapat membuat umat tianshi yang mengajak anda kapok!

1. Anda tidak boleh merasa sungkan dan harus tegas! ini yang paling utama, ini saya tekankan karena toh umat tianshi yang mengajak anda juga tidak sungkan2 membohongi anda.

2. Anda pasti akan ditempatkan oleh mereka pada tempat duduk yang membuat anda sungkan untuk meninggalkan acara( misal di depan atau di tengah2), lalu bagaimana ?
-Anda bisa beralasan mau ke kamar mandi dan sudah tidak tahan atau harus segera melakukan panggilan telepon. tidak usah sungkan langsung saja berdiri dan keluar dan segeralah pulang !!
-Anda bisa duduk saja dan tidak usah perlu mendengarkan ocehan pembicara ( toh sejak awal anda dibohongi, dan udah banyak bukti kebohongan yang dilakukan tianshi , seperti yang ada di www.tianshi-watch.com ) jadi buat apa anda dengar?
uda banyak bohongnya jadi apa yang perlu didengarkan?
-Atau anda bisa juga mengingat hal2 yang menurut anda lucu dan tertawalah dengan sekeras-kerasnya (jangan sungkan) atau bisa anda tinggal tidur atau mendengarkan musik.

3. Bila sejak awal anda segera pergi, anda bisa saja langsung pergi dan jangan mengucapkan sepatah katapun, langsung saja pergi!! Bila umat tianshi ada yang bertanya "mau kemana?" jawab saja " pulang, dan katakan dengan jelas dan keras "KAMU UDA BOHONGIN SAYA DAN KAMU BEHARAP SAYA PERCAYA DENGAN APA YANG AKAN DISAMPAIKAN PEMBICARA ACARA INI NANTI ? NGIMPI KAMU !!!) dan segera pergi.

Ini sedikit saran dari saya, silakan anda berimprovisasi sendiri.
YANG PALING UTAMA ANDA HARUS BERANI, TEGAS DAN JANGAN SUNGKAN !


Dan TIPS buat anda2 semuanya untuk menanggapi TEORI KONYOL UMAT TIANSHI :

"SELAMA DIJELEK-JELEKIN TIENS TETEP NOMER SATU.
Yang namanya nomor 1 itu pasti dijatuhkan, yang tinggi pasti dijatuhkan, yang bagus pasti dijelekkan, karena yang SUDAH JELEK, GAK PERLU DIJELEK2IN"

Cukup katakan :
wah wah kalau begitu berarti setan itu nomer satu dong !?
kan selalu dijelek2kan ! ya kan ?
waduh kok sereeeeeeeeeeeem gituuuuuuuuuuu!??

nah mereka mo ngomong apa sekarang…… hahahaha....

Jd buat pro tianshi, STOP membohongi masyarakat Indonesia dgn mengatakan yg dijelek2kan PASTI selalu nomer 1.
Teori yg sering dipakai orang2 tianshi tsb sama sekali tidak benar.
Kecuali jika mereka jg menganggap setan no 1 buat mereka alias pemuja setan hahahaha....


note : Kami ucapkan banyak terimakasih utk saudara Ekorage utk tipsnya (dgn sdkt edit dan kometar kami) dan semoga berguna bagi masyarakat Indonesia. :)

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Koreksi ttg bbrp kekeliruan di net-p 6 pilar menuju ultra kaya

Jadi ingat perkataan pak LT di net-p 6 pilar menuju ultra kaya (tahun 2007)
mari kita bahas kembali omongan LT dan bandingkan dgn fakta-data yang sebenarnya.

Kita percaya fakta BUKAN sekedar asbun ga jelas dan jgn mau dibodohi begitu saja oleh perkataan asal upline..
Periksa dulu kebenarannya dan gunakan logika :)

Komentar kami berwarna kuning

LT :
Pilar Pertama : COMPANY PROFILE SANGAT KUAT SEKALI
BERARTI KITA HARUS MEMILIH PERUSAHAAN YANG BESAR DAN ABADI, yang bisa diwariskan. Company profile Tianshi sangat-sangat kuat karena perusahaan Tianshi punya cabang di 105 negara dan jaringannya masuk di lebih dari 200 negara!

Koreksi :
- hanya di 52 negara.. itupun gak semua mengakui sebagai MLM, termasuk di RRC sendiri
- kalo kuat, kenapa dari 2004 - saat ini, keuntungan tidak pernah naik, tapi meluncur turun terus?
dari awal masuk bursa saham Internasional, kenapa sahamnya jatuh bebas terus ?
harga saat ini 1,79 dollar , sedang fortune 500 urutan ke 500, harga nya 7 dollar lebih ??

LT :
Perusahaan Tianshi adalah perusahaan dari RRT, yang saat ini sedang menguasai perekonomian dunia.

koreksi :
- di RRC pun tidak diakui sbg MLM (pesaing nya seperti Amway dan Avon aja diakui, masa dari berdiri - sekarang, Tiens ga berhasil meraih ijin MLM nya di negara sendiri ?)
- baca laporannya tidak? Tiens amat menyalahkan pemerintah RRC sendiri atas kerugian2nya

LT :
Tienshi juga memiliki pabrik sendiri. Kalau pabrik milik orang lain , harga gak bisa goyang. Harga Tianshi tidak pernah naik dari tahun pertama berdiri. BBM sudah naik , harga2 produk perusahaan lain ikut naik. Tapi Tianshi tidak pernah naik harga produknya , cuek aja ampe sekarang. Kalo pabriknya bandel, pabrik buka sendiri dan perusahaannya tidak punya produk.

koreksi :
tanah pabrik dan kantor adalah kontrakan dan milik Pemda Tianjin, Tiens harus bayar uang sewa pada pemda dan masih belum semua lunas (dari laporan 2007) uang kontrak tanah tersebut
dan boong bgt nih jelas2 harga produknya naik hahaha...

LT:
Perusahaan Tienshi dimiliki oleh Mr LJY, orang terkaya no. 2 di RRT menurut versi koran International Daily News. Mr LJY orang besar, yang dapat gelar Doktor dari UNESCO PBB. Gaulnya sama PBB, setiap masuk ke 1 negara, Mr LJY pasti disambut oleh kepala pemerintahan (presiden, raja, ratu, PM).

koreksi:
Mr Li cm peringkat 188 di cina tahun 2007. Di tahun 2004pun peringkat 29 mnrt FORBES dan terus merosot peringkatnya sejak itu..
ngarang dari mana, Doktor Unesco PBB segala?
di biografi pertanggungjawaban kepada USEC dan Publik USA, cuma berani ngaku MBA dari Universitas lokal di RRC ...

itu omongan LT loh, ada buktinya.. suara otentik
berarti pak LT menipu segenap calon downline ya? soalnya Tianshi ngaku tidak kenal loh ama bapak.. itu pelanggaran pribadi pak LT loh...

LT :
Bp Helmi ada di kantor Tienshi.
Bp. Helmi kalo naik panggung, semangatnya luar biasa, Tianshi akan menguasai Indonesia dan dunia ..Lebih yakin dia daripada kita.. Bp Helmi lebih melihat bahwa Tienshi akan menguasai dunia.
Bp LJY pernah blg, Tianshi akan terbesar di Indonesia dalam beberapa tahun, Bp Helmi bilang, ga usah lama2 , tahun depan saja, Tianshi pasti uda yang terbesar di Indonesia. Mr LJY bingung, kenapa bp Helmi bisa lebih yakin ya?
Bp Helmi di pihak kita.

komentar :
ati2 jangan sampai dituntut pak Helmi loh bicara kaya gitu, bener ga beliau menyatakan begitu ?

LT :
Tidak ada perusahaan lain yang punya visi seperti bp LJY. Visi bp LJY adalah masuk ke Fortune 500 (berarti omset minimal 150 Triliun per tahun)

komentar: untung 18,6 juta dollar per tahun, untuk masuk ke Fortune 500 masih jauh banget

LT:
ANDA TINGGAL PEGANGAN SAJA SAMA SINGA INI, TERBANGLAH KE SELURUH DUNIA (big applause)
Anda ga perlu pintar di bisnis ini, yang penting megangin aja orang kaya, tempel aja Singa, pasti terbang jadi orang kaya..

Manusia ini kok gak logis?
Sekolah dari kecil sampai besar.. BODOH..

Tahun 2010 nanti, anda semua hadir di pertemuan kita, ketika Tianshi sudah masuk F500, anda ini mukanya ga mungkin kaya gini, muka utang ga lunas, kredit da selesai, tunggakan semua da lunas.
Ga kaya muka2 sekarang, muka belum bayar tunggakan kos

YANG PENTING MASA DEPAN, BUKAN MASA KINI
HUTANG BANYAK GAK MASALAH, TAPI 1-2 TAHUN LAGI JADI RAJA KOS

komentar:
yah kita liat aja pak, bisa ga masuk F500
jadi untuk jadi raja singa, harus jadi raja utang dulu kira2 ya?

justru saya sekolah dari SD - sudah lulus sekarang
karena logis dan analitis

jangan mentah2 menelan apapun yang dikatakan orang
tapi diperiksa dulu ke lembaga2 yang bersangkutan

dan hasilnya?
hehehehehehehehe
ga ada yang cocok

saya disekolahkan orang tua saya bukan buat nelan mentah2 kata2 orang tanpa dipelajari lebih dulu..
justru itulah namanya Logika.

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Cuplikan laporan MEMALUKAN ttg tianshi

Berikut sedikit cuplikan (kami akan bahas selengkap2nya kemudian) MEMALUKAN mengenai Tianshi yg didapat dari NASDAQ

The leading direct selling companies in our existing markets are Avon and Alticor (Amway). Some of our competitors, including Avon and Alticor (Amway), have been granted a direct selling business license in China pursuant to China's recent regulations governing direct selling. Tianshi Engineering has made an application for, but has not yet received, a direct selling license in China.


In China, we sell our products to Tianshi Engineering, an affiliated Chinese company. Tianshi Engineering, in turn, sells the products to customers through its branches and affiliated companies and at chain stores which are owned by individual distributors. During 2007 Tianshi Engineering closed eleven of its less profitable branches in China. As of December 31, 2007, Tianshi Engineering had 100 branches in China

Internationally, our strategy is to develop a strong direct sales force through our international affiliated companies. Currently the United States is not a significant part of our business. We sell our products to overseas affiliated companies located in 52 countries who in turn sell them to independent direct sales distributors. During 2007, in order to consolidate our international distribution, we reduced the number of countries where we sell directly to overseas affiliates from 63 to 52.
In 2007 our highest sales outside of China were to the following ten countries, in descending order: Indonesia, Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Congo, Hungary, South Africa, Peru, India and Columbia.

kok bisa ya, Cina ga mau kasi ijin Tiens sebagai MLM (dari 2005 - saat ini)
terus bisa mengklaim lebih besar dari semua MLM?

dan gw kaget ternyata dugaan gw bener

Indonesia adalah negara no 1 penyumbang uang terbesar bagi Pres li dan anaknya dan kroninya di Cina sana (yang tidak tersentuh hukum USA dan tentu hukum Indonesia)

bangsa kita yang sudah susah ini, jadi mesin uang internasional no 1 Tiens, buat taun 2006-2007

duhhh miris saya mikirnya

itu uang kalo buat bangsa ini sekian puluh juta dollar yang kita berikan ke pangkuan Sang Presiden Yang Mulia Li Jin Yuan dan anaknya
kalo itu uang tetep muter di Indonesia.. kan lumayan ya?
setaun beberapa puluh juta dollar ga usah disumbang ke keluarga pres li?

Intinya yang gw lucu adalah

ini perusahaan , di Cina sendiri ga diakui MLM, ga bisa keluar ijinnya sebagai MLM
kok di indonesia, dipuji2 setinggi langit oleh APLI?

apa berarti penilaian pemerintah Cina, U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission , publik bursa saham Nasdaq , BPOM berbagai negara itu semua salah?
lebih benar perhitungan APLI??

sekedar informasi, apa sih nasdaq
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASDAQ
NASDAQ (acronym of National Association of Securities Dealers Automated Quotation System) is an American stock exchange

baca dulu sisanya pelan2

nah anda lebih percaya sama Nasdaq dan laporan keuangan wajibnya bagi USEC + publik Amerika yg OBJEKTIF

atau mau membabibuta dgrin omongan leader2 Tianshi di Indonesia?

mau bilang NASDAQ termasuk organisasi negatif sama Tianshi?
termasuk juga lembaga2 resmi internasional dan negara lainnya?

Dan harap diingat, di buku 6 pilar maupun fakta-data pernah ditulis :

"semua org pasti mengatakan bahwa produk, perusahaan, marketing plan-nyalah yg plg bgs, akan tetapi pengakuan dari lembaga-lembaga bonafide apalagi badan dunialah yg membuktikan, bukankah begitu?"

so?? jika berbagai pembuktian dari berbagai lembaga dan badan dunia mengenai tianshi adalah seperti yg kami ungkapkan di sini artinya??

kita semua pasti tau jawabannya.

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Sejumlah pertanyaan-pertanyaan untuk upline2 tianshi yang belum terjawab...

Beberapa hari yg lalu, kami mendapatkan informasi di email kami dari seorang mantan *8 tianshi. Dia menceritakan pengalamannya selama menjalankan tianshi kepada kami dan kami diizinkan oleh beliau untuk memasukkan dan membahas isi email beliau di Tianshi-Watch.


Berikut isi email tsb
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Gw adalah ex Bintang 8 jaman awal Tianshi buka di Indonesia tahun 2002-2003 dan gw bergabung dibawah LNI. Awalnya gw curiga dengan semua kehebatan Tianshi tetapi karena setiap hari dicekokin oleh upline bahwa Tianshi adalah perusahaan yg besar dan bonafide yach gw jalanin aja karena gw juga mau mengejar BMW. Lambat laun gw sampai juga di peringkat yg saat itu sangat bonafide yaitu bintang 8.

Di buku-buku presentasi dikatakan bintang 8 punya penghasilan Rp.20jt (saat itu tahun 2002-2003, sekarang malah lebih bombastis lagi bintang 8 punya penghasilan Rp.40jt) tetapi sejalan dengan perkembangan bisnis Tianshi gw, ternyata setelah gw mendapatkan bintang 8 bonus gw dan beberapa bintang 8 lainnya yg seangkatan dengan gw hanya berkisar antara 1,7 juta sampai 4,8 juta. LUAR BIASA tidak BESAR!!! Ha..ha..ha...(DASAR PEMBODOHAN).

BMW yg diberikanpun hanya diganti dengan uang sekedarnya saja sebesar Rp.50jt (sisanya harus cari sendiri). Tetapi karena sudah digembar-gemborkan bahwa gw penerima BMW yach terpaksa dech gw harus berpura-pura ke downline2 gw bahwa gw terima BMWnya penuh alias GRATIS. Padahal ini sebuah kebohongan BESAR!!!.

Gw cuma mau teman2 pencinta MLM tidak tertipu dengan gimmick2 seperti ini. Jangan ulangi
kesalahan, kebodohan dan kenaifan gw di Tianshi. Semuanya TEPU...!!!

Coba cek juga kantor2 dan cabang2 Tianshi yg diclaim punya cabang dilebih dari 200 negara???
Coba cek juga John Hellerman???
Coba cek juga kantor Indonesia yg katanya bonafide tapi kok di Kemayoran yg kumuh. (dulu malah di Mangga 2 yg lebih kumuh lagi)???
Coba cek juga pembayaran pajaknya kalau perlu laporkan ke kantor pajak???
Coba cek juga katanya diresmikan oleh simbol negara Ibu Megawati??? Bila perlu laporkan kesekretariat negara atas pencemaran nama baik simbol negara???
Coba cek juga jaringan member yg ada diluar negeri??? Apakah mereka sebenarnya adalah member Indonesia yg digabungkan dari salah satu stokist di Indonesia tapi berdomisili di luar negeri seperti TKW tapi di claim sebagai member asing atau negara lain. Ha...ha...ha...???
Coba cek juga kebobrokan beberapa Leadernya seperti ATL, T, LT, Purno dll???
Coba cek juga sahamnya???
Coba cek juga pabrik2nya???
Coba cek juga keterkaitan hutang dengan BMW dunia??? Sebentar lagi dengan Mercy???
dll...dll...dll...kebohongan yg tidak pernah berhenti...

MLM baik sekali untuk mensejehterakan rakyat TETAPI TIDAK dengan penipuan dan pembodohan seperti ini.
Terima kasih Tianshi watch akhirnya ada juga yg berani memperkarakan hal ini.



Berikut adalah email balasan dari kami

Yth. xxxxxxxxxx,

Terimakasih atas informasi dan partisipasi anda kepada kami. Kami sangat menghargai informasi anda ini. Sebagian yang anda kemukakan sudah kami jabarkan dan analisa di website tianshi-watch.com, diantaranya mengenai: John Heinerman, Megawati, bonus BMW dan yang lainnya. Kami berharap semakin banyak lagi orang yang tau fakta dibalik iming-iming dari Tianshi ini.

Kami ingin bertanya apakah kami boleh mempublish email anda (email anda akan kami samarkan untuk kepentingan privacy dan keselamatan anda). Jangan kuatir, semua email yang kami terima akan kami jaga kerahasiaannya dengan segala daya upaya kami.

Anda dapat pula membantu kami dengan membantu menyebarkan keberadaan website kami ini. Semoga semakin banyak orang yang tersadar dari semua mimpi buruk yang diberikan Tianshi.

Terima kasih dan salam hangat,


Tianshi Watch Team

dan tanggapan berikutnya kpd tianshi-watch team

Dear Tianshi Watch Team,

Saya sangat berharap email saya dipublikasikan di website ini karena ini adalah cara paling
brilian untuk mengembalikan kepercayaan masyarakat thd bisnis MLM yg sudah dirusak citranya oleh Tianshi.. Masyarakat perlu mengetahui luar dalam bisnis Tianshi dan bila perlu APLI mengambil sangsi keras dengan mengeluarkan Tianshi dari anggotanya atas dasar semua kebohongan yg sudah disebarkan baik oleh member, leader dan bahkan oleh perusahaan.
Tolong cek juga nama2 berikut ini Miss Mao (orang yg membawa bisnis Tianshi ke Indonesia-upline pak Hartono) kemana dia sekarang?

Lalu ada miss Sun Lili mahasiswa Cina yg kuliah di Rusia yg katanya Mr. Li Jin Yuan adalah penghasil Rp.1M/bln, kemana dia? Begitu pula dengan Mr.. Hu Jian penghasil U$10jt/bln kemana orang ini?

Tolong cek juga kenapa banyak leader kwalifikasi BMW keluar dari Tianshi seperti Sujiwo & Erna? Hartono? Taufik Wibisono? Fahmi gondrong? Efryansyah? M. Rasyid? Soma Legawa? bu Zerry? dll. Kenapa leader2 Tianshi yg sudah "hebat" ini keluar dari Tianshi...????? Is there something wrong with Tianshi???

Bagaimana perusahaan yg baru berdiri belasan tahun (+/- 13 tahun) bisa menjadi yg terbesar dan mengalahkan perusahaan2 yg sudah exist lebih lama seperti Amway, NuSkin, Herbalife, Shaklee, Mary Kay? Avon? bahkan bisa mengalahkan CNI? Ha...ha...ha...suatu kebohongan lagi nech?

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bagaimana penjelasan dari tianshi atas informasi ini? apakah sebenarnya tianshi adalah suatu konspirasi? Coba tanya pula pd upline2 kalian mengenai jawabannya ttg hal ini.

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